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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 12:14:AM »
I believe on the exhibit lists it said suicide note.
Is there evidence we can see to support that?

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 12:39:AM »
Is there evidence we can see to support that?

I can’t find it . So perhaps I was confused . But I thought there was a list and it was mentioned. Perhaps I am confused with the hand written note .

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2020, 12:48:AM »
I found a quote

“ They called the note with the numbers and letters a suicide not, it is that note that was found on her bedside table and described as 'illegible'.”


Also a reference to when jones mentioned there was a suicide note in th COLP interview.

That’s been known about for a while .

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2020, 06:50:AM »
I found a quote

“ They called the note with the numbers and letters a suicide not, it is that note that was found on her bedside table and described as 'illegible'.”


Also a reference to when jones mentioned there was a suicide note in th COLP interview.

That’s been known about for a while .

During the Stokenchurch enquiry, on 6th August 2002, retired DS21 Stan Jones was interviewed by DCI Jeanette McDiarmid and DI Paul Brown. This was in relation to the kitchen telephone at White House Farm. During the discussion, he said:
Jones: “What you've got to remember is, it wasn't five murders it was four murders and a suicide, which throws a completely different picture on it. Because things wouldn’t be treated the same as a murder scene.
McDiarmid: Yes
Jones: “You don't go hunting for things if you've got four murders and a suicide if you've got someone saying I’ve just killed myself you don't start searching cupboards upstairs, you don't start searching cupboards in the other rooms, because you've got a note saying I've killed myself so it was treated as four murders and a suicide, completely different.

In terms of the case constructed against Jeremy, Jones’ statements are of major significance in demonstrating Jeremy’s innocence. Jones was clearly saying that the police had possession of a suicide note and they knew it was a case of four murders and suicide. Needless to say, neither police officer picked up on this or questioned him further on this subject.

If the Stokenchurch investigators had been competent and diligent they would have realised immediately that Jones had admitted to something of major consequence in Jeremy’s defence. What did they do? They changed the subject entirely; the next question to Jones was, “The point I’m trying to establish if you have knowledge of anybody…using any of the phone (sic) inside the house”.

One could be generous and suggest that the police officers were unaware that the crucial issue surrounding the entire case was whether Sheila Caffell killed her family before killing herself, but it really seems very unlikely that any police officer would not know that was a pivotal issue. Therefore, a conscientious police officer keen to establish the truth would have probed Stan Jones further on the issue. For example, which suicide note? What did it say? What happened to it? Why was it not made known to Jeremy’s defence lawyers? Who made the decision to deny the fact of its existence?

Essex Police knew that there was a note next to the bed in Sheila’s room. DS 640 Eastwood recorded the existence of these notes and stated they had been given to DCI Jones at Chelmsford Police Station after the murders although it does not state by whom.  Scenes of Crime Exhibit list states:
   “DRH/42    Note   On bedside table Sheila Caffell’s room   DC 1470”

The notes seized by DC 1470 Hammersley may or may not have been the same as the suicide note referred to by Stan Jones – it is quite likely that Jones was referring to another note. Indeed, it seems probable that he was referring to a different note because the note mentioned by Jones was specifically clear and immediately understandable as a suicide note, sufficient to persuade all the police officers present that it was a case of four murders and a suicide. As a result, they didn’t even bother to look in cupboards – it must have been pretty convincing, perhaps more so than the ones removed by DC Hammersley which were subsequently dismissed as illegible even though they could be read and understood with a little effort. The existence of the note would also explain why DS Jones encouraged the burning of forensic evidence and got Jeremy to authorise this.

When DS Stan Jones was interviewed by Metropolitan Police officers as part of the Stokenchurch investigation he revealed information that should have merited further exploration; highly significant in terms of Jeremy’s defence. The Metropolitan police officers ignored the suicide note information and it is clear that far from seeking the truth, the Stokenchurch officers merely went through the motions of pretending to mount an investigation.

The idea that is promulgated by Essex Police, that there has never been anything to suggest that Jeremy was wrongly convicted is disingenuous to say the least. For what emerged from the Stokenchurch enquiries was a carefully orchestrated subterfuge whereby the truth was avoided, keeping Jeremy in jail for a crime he did not commit. To borrow a phrase from Donald Tusk, there should be a special place in hell reserved for people like  DCI Jeanette McDiarmid and DI Paul Brown who have enjoyed their freedom for the past 18 years while knowing that their actions kept an innocent man in prison.

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2020, 08:21:AM »
Most suicide victims leave a note/letter/card.

No they don't.
About 30% do.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 08:22:AM by TheBrilliantMistake »

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2020, 08:32:AM »
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-hid-jeremy-bambers-sister-21377938

I guess the “dark forces” that control the public narrative are having a day off?   ;D

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2020, 09:23:AM »
Where was June's letter to the family found ?

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2020, 09:55:AM »
I guess the “dark forces” that control the public narrative are having a day off?   ;D

'Dark forces' wasn't my quote, tbf.  Re media articles, it looks about 90/10 in favour of guilty articles or similar. So the 'forces of light' are still struggling.

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2020, 12:55:PM »
There were diaries as well were there not ? Belonging to sheila ?

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2020, 01:27:PM »
It was posted somewhere that the relatives took/ were given the diaries, Jan. This would obviously have been in the first month.

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2020, 02:44:PM »
Yes the latter note was found by Julie stuffed inside the glove compartment of Jeremy's car. He took it from her hand saying "I'm glad she's dead..but I do miss the old man occasionally."

The words on the note left with Basil Cock read....

My Home,
The White House.

My Darlings - Nevill, Sheila & Jem,
Should anything happen to me and I have to leave you, I write this to tell you of my love for you and to thank you for all you have given me.
All I ask  is that God will love and protect you through the years ahead, and that some day, God willing, we may meet again .
My love always, my darlings,
Mums.


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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2020, 03:21:PM »
It's a matter of opinion whether or not JB said what Julie accused him of saying.

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2020, 05:01:PM »
The words on the note left with Basil Cock read....

My Home,
The White House.

My Darlings - Nevill, Sheila & Jem,
Should anything happen to me and I have to leave you, I write this to tell you of my love for you and to thank you for all you have given me.
All I ask  is that God will love and protect you through the years ahead, and that some day, God willing, we may meet again .
My love always, my darlings,
Mums.


That also was the sad bit about the drama . We did not really get to know much about neville and June  ( obviously I have read about them but it was an opportunity to know more about them ); other than Colin’s speech at the table .

From what I could see from photos there were many normal moments with the grandchildren , plus also some strict rules and beliefs .


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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2020, 09:56:PM »
you notice there not actully denying it.

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Re: Daily Star article - Police hid suicide note and bloodied bible.
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2020, 05:27:PM »
Where was June's letter to the family found ?
It was entrusted to solicitor Basil Cock, who forwarded it to Jeremy post-murders.