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Offline Adam

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2020, 09:01:PM »

When did I say that ?

Sorry it was Kaldin. Reply 26.
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2020, 09:03:PM »
That's what I said, not Jan. Jan says they can bleed.

If someone is dead, the heart is no longer pumping blood around.

Sheila was knocked out but still alive after the first shot.  So Jeremy fired the second shot.
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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2020, 09:08:PM »
If Craig only saw one gunshot---as I remember him saying, then there could only have been one because photo's show " two " at close proximity and couldn't have been mistaken as one.

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« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2020, 09:09:PM »
Sheila was knocked out but still alive after the first shot.  So Jeremy fired the second shot.

That's not what you said before.

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She was upstairs. Dead from one bullet. The police accidentially shot Sheila a second time with the murder weapon.

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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2020, 09:17:PM »
If Craig only saw one gunshot---as I remember him saying, then there could only have been one because photo's show " two " at close proximity and couldn't have been mistaken as one.




There could have been a mirror image going on if her head was bent making her jaw drop on to her chest, meaning that the crease in her neck would have created the illusion of two shots.

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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2020, 09:19:PM »



There could have been a mirror image going on if her head was bent making her jaw drop on to her chest, meaning that the crease in her neck would have created the illusion of two shots.

I think Dr Vanezis would have picked up on that.

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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2020, 09:31:PM »
I think Dr Vanezis would have picked up on that.





Why did he say one when the other shot was right underneath ? Julie said one when she saw her at the mortuary.

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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2020, 09:33:PM »
Sorry I thought you meant Craig----even so, why did Craig say one ? It was obvious right at the front of her neck that it had appeared there were two.

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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2020, 09:34:PM »




Why did he say one when the other shot was right underneath ? Julie said one when she saw her at the mortuary.

Dr Vanezis didn't say there was one shot, he said there were two. He even tracked them both.

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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2020, 09:36:PM »
Sorry I thought you meant Craig----even so, why did Craig say one ? It was obvious right at the front of her neck that it had appeared there were two.

No idea. Perhaps he didn't look very closely, and he was only expecting one.

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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2020, 09:48:PM »
No idea. Perhaps he didn't look very closely, and he was only expecting one.






It's not the same as there being two though, they were close enough together-----even though there's an " interruption " in the blood flow coming from the second shot close to the wound.

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2020, 10:14:PM »
Where's DI Miller's pocketbook ? He was the one who reported seeing one bullet injury as well as the one who found Sheila on the bed, according to David Shaw.

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2020, 10:45:PM »
Sorry I thought you meant Craig----even so, why did Craig say one ? It was obvious right at the front of her neck that it had appeared there were two.

Craig only said one wound for each victim . It’s the other officers statements they say they have which are important .

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« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2020, 03:22:AM »
That's not what you said before.

Was saying what the CT are now saying. Providing The Guardian article is correct.

At least the CT have stopped the ridiculous Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the police were outside.

Both supporters and guilters agree she was in dead in the main bedroom.
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2020, 05:08:AM »
Was saying what the CT are now saying. Providing The Guardian article is correct.

At least the CT have stopped the ridiculous Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the police were outside.

Both supporters and guilters agree she was in dead in the main bedroom.

No, she wasn't, she was confronted in the kitchen when the firearm officers entered, as confirmed by Terrie Gibbons witness statement, two bodies found on entry by 7.35am!
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