the 2 youths on the moped.

[nugnug]

Only when its suits the narrative right? Messy. So Ferris is a liar right?

well yes that was established in courtt he lied about the time he was one the path as did dickie.

[Davie2]

well yes that was established in courtt he lied about the time he was one the path as did dickie.

What? So he was on the path at 5:15 as you claim he claimed, but now he was not there at this time, because he is a liar, which one is it? Make up your mind.

[Davie2]

What? So he was on the path at 5:15 as you claim he claimed, but now he was not there at this time, because he is a liar, which one is it? Make up your mind.
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he admitted he was there at that time he he also admited tht he lied in his statement

and previosly cliamed he was there an hour before.

ll established in links i have posted.

You have been at this for over a decade man. Your more confused as ever..

[nugnug]

What? So he was on the path at 5:15 as you claim he claimed, but now he was not there at this time, because he is a liar, which one is it? Make up your mind.

he admited he had previsoly lied and said he was there at 4 15 when he was there at 615 dikie also admited this that was established at the trail.

and is in the links i have previously posted.

[sandra L]

Sorry for questions that have probably been answered previously. You all seem to be very well versed on this case.

An answer that I can't find - when GD and JF came back up the path from the Tool Hire at Newbattle to GD's home at Easthouses, they were having issues with the moped. Did they drive the moped up the path or walked the moped Back to GD's? Or was it a bit of both?

According to their own statements and those of witnesses, it was a bit of both.

They drove the moped through Basically Tools and part way up Newbattle Road, where it cut out and they were seen by two independent sets of witnesses (1) pushing it up the rest of the Newbattle Road to the entrance to Roan's Dyke Park and (2) pushing it into the entrance to Roan's Dyke path.

They then struggled to get it started and keep it going for quite some time while they were "messing about on the path" (i.e, they would get it going, ride it for a bit up or down the path, then it would cut out again) - from at least Ferris's statements, they finally got it going long enough to ride the last part of the path (Easthouses end) and along Lady Path to Dickie's garden.

[Davie2]

According to their own statements and those of witnesses, it was a bit of both.

They drove the moped through Basically Tools and part way up Newbattle Road, where it cut out and they were seen by two independent sets of witnesses (1) pushing it up the rest of the Newbattle Road to the entrance to Roan's Dyke Park and (2) pushing it into the entrance to Roan's Dyke path.

They then struggled to get it started and keep it going for quite some time while they were "messing about on the path" (i.e, they would get it going, ride it for a bit up or down the path, then it would cut out again) - from at least Ferris's statements, they finally got it going long enough to ride the last part of the path (Easthouses end) and along Lady Path to Dickie's garden.

Name the witnesses.

[nugnug]

Name the witnesses.

do you think the police would ask somone to come forward if there wasnt a witness if there wasnt a witnese it wouldent of even be mentioned would it.

[Davie2]

do you think the police would ask somone to come forward if there wasnt a witness if there wasnt a witnese it wouldent of even be mentioned would it.

In that case I'm in. Unreliable witnesses, words used like propped. Were's do I donate my tenner too? The Sandra Lean fund.

[sandra L]

Name the witnesses.

No. They've never been publicly named, so I'm not about to put them in the firing line for people like you. Before you start bandying about words like "selective," this has been my approach from the start and applies equally to witnesses in Jodi's family and friends who were not publicly named. It's a blanket policy - if people's names are in the public domain, it's ok to discuss them by name. If not, I don't.

[nugnug]

are likely to make an appealfor somone to come forward if theres no witness  to them being there.

[Davie2]

No. They've never been publicly named, so I'm not about to put them in the firing line for people like you. Before you start bandying about words like "selective," this has been my approach from the start and applies equally to witnesses in Jodi's family and friends who were not publicly named. It's a blanket policy - if people's names are in the public domain, it's ok to discuss them by name. If not, I don't.

People like me eh? Last time i checked i don't try to freeload from the public. But you continue to peddle these fake witnesses, exaggerated sightings and blatant lies. You may pull the wool over a few, but i can see right thought it, people like me eh?

[sandra L]

Goodness, Davie, nothing personal going on here, then?

Freeloading? You're having a laugh. Do you work, or have you worked, for nothing, for years at a time, Davie? Have you given your every spare hour and large sums of your own money to help other people?

Would you be prepared to take a cut in your income to help others? No? Then you can't stand in judgement of me.

And by "people like you," I mean people who have no qualms about launching personal attacks on other people from the cowardly safety of a fake name on an internet forum. So, yes, people like you.

[Harper]

Thanks for the info Sandra and Davie, I hope I didn't cause all this arguing though!

From what I can see, everyone is generally in agreement regarding the following:

- The two boys were on the path between roughly 5pm and 5.30pm

- They were seen and admitted to being on this path at this time

- They were riding around on a troublesome moped, but were having issues with starting it.

- The moped was not roadworthy as it had no silencer on the exhaust, which is why they were running it on the paths and woodland

I agree that it's frustrating that we do not all have access to case files, but don't feel that we can blame Sandra Lean just because she does have access to the files and is not legally allowed to share them with us?

[sandra L]

Thanks Harper - no, you're not the cause of some of the more heated posts.

I have said repeatedly, if I could make all of the documents public, I'd do it in the blink of an eye - why would I put myself through all the stress if I could just put it all out there and let people read it for themselves?

I've been between a rock and a hard place for a very long time, doing what I can to get as much of the story out there as I can, but always constrained by things I'm not allowed to do for various reasons.

Some posters, no matter how often I explain that, choose to interpret as me "hiding" information - there's nothing I, or anyone else, can do about that interpretation, but the facts remain the facts - I do what I can, when I can, with what I'm allowed to do.

[Davie2]

Goodness, Davie, nothing personal going on here, then?

Freeloading? You're having a laugh. Do you work, or have you worked, for nothing, for years at a time, Davie? Have you given your every spare hour and large sums of your own money to help other people?

Would you be prepared to take a cut in your income to help others? No? Then you can't stand in judgement of me.

And by "people like you," I mean people who have no qualms about launching personal attacks on other people from the cowardly safety of a fake name on an internet forum. So, yes, people like you.

Why can't his family help? His father, his brother. I understand CM is skint, selling dodgy caravans was always going to come back and haunt her. But i just cant put my finger on it, why the others won't dig deep. why have they left it to you, to be out of pocket. To get shunned by the fund me pages.

And no, i would not give any of my cash, to try get a psychopathic murder of the hook.