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Offline Parky41

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2019, 01:28:PM »
Still playing guess the drivel, oops driver game?
Now morphed into - oh what kind of vehicle were they driving, where was this vehicle, what means did
this witness have to claim this was at this V point.

Load the statement where it says "close to the V"
Simple really.

Just for clarities sake Harper?
No one is disputing this duo were on the path.
No one is disputing this bike was at a standstill.
They both admitted this, they were having trouble stopping and starting it - of course it was at
a standstill, several times along this path - all technically close to this V break.

It matters not this weightless claim of a witness seeing (cough) this bike. It is not disputed the bike
was there.

Why do you feel Harper, that Ms Lean needs to push this sighting (without clarity) of this bike, unmanned over and over.
The boys have admitted their bike was at a standstill.

There is, more to the point - absolutely nothing, that puts these boys on this path for any more than
20mins - easy to determine that all of this time was needed, to push and try to start this bike.
They simply had absolutely no time for anything else.
They were back in GD for 5.30pm - witnessed.
There were other people out and about that evening after 5.30pm
No bike no boys seen anywhere near this path, after this time.

What is clear is the noise from this bike and the boys - Luke could not have failed to hear this.
Is this the real reason why Luke did not finish, those very actions he had started?
He needed to Hide this girl and get away from there.






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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2019, 01:30:PM »
Images are spot on Dave - they clearly show from everywhere, that unless you are actually on this path,
you can not see the V in this wall.

We don't need Google for that though - Ms Lean has clarified this clearly, before herself.

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2019, 01:34:PM »
No-one suggested the bike was spotted at the point where the Newbattle Road turns onto the Beeches.

You're basically calling this witness a liar, with no idea what sort of vehicle they were in and what other possibilities might exist for being able to see the bike from a vehicle?

A bit rich coming from you when it comes to calling wittiness's liar. Where do i start? Flemming/Walsh. Bryson. Ferris. All the Jones family. The Mitchell's neighbours. The police. The tattoo artist. Do i need to continue? But oh no, when someone with superman vision, and can drive perfectly along a road while looking in the complete opposite direction, and then with perfect detail describe, a V, 2 lads and a moped in the distance, what utter nonsense.

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2019, 01:37:PM »
worth noting if you local to area or visit to size up visibility that its very diffrent in winter comparedto hieght of summer when the crime was comitted. woodland strip behind wall is/was quite overgrown and growth extends up over wall for large sections of the length of it, also lots of bushy growth both sides of path itself

As how it was in the woodland itself:
This woodland area - that Luke had never entered before.
Instantly seeing this V in the dark, instantly going over and finding Jodi - in seconds.
Behind this large Oak tree, that he also recognized in the dark.
Taking in all around him - not distracted at all, by his dead girlfriend!

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2019, 01:46:PM »
A bit rich coming from you when it comes to calling wittiness's liar. Where do i start? Flemming/Walsh. Bryson. Ferris. All the Jones family. The Mitchell's neighbours. The police. The tattoo artist. Do i need to continue? But oh no, when someone with superman vision, and can drive perfectly along a road while looking in the complete opposite direction, and then with perfect detail describe, a V, 2 lads and a moped in the distance, what utter nonsense.

Tsk Tsk Davie;

Ms Lean introduces PTSD as a possibility for SM having total amnesia.
Of this surreal experience for the Mitchels.
Of Luke's trauma and heavy medication.
Of Luke's PTSD in p**sing in bottles.
 

For the Jones family we have - 
A family who she puts a ? around as to why they did not get their stories straight, they were in each others
company within hours of this girls death.
The clue of course is there - within hours of this girls death, their daughter, sister, granddaughter, niece and so
forth had been brutally murdered - Ms Lean wonders why they were not setting their stories straight, when they got together - putting this girls death aside to do so?
They simply had no story to get straight.
LM and CM's however was very straight - and one wonders why the police were suspicious.



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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2019, 01:49:PM »
Images are spot on Dave - they clearly show from everywhere, that unless you are actually on this path,
you can not see the V in this wall.

We don't need Google for that though - Ms Lean has clarified this clearly, before herself.

It is the best i can do, to show this road beeches and the view across the field. It is far from perfect, and i agree, the camera lens gives a different outlook on the area, as if you was there in person. I have been on Beeches in person, and i can say with absolute certainly, that you cannot see fully across that field without having obstructed views.  The slight embankment on the roadside, the bushes, the undulated field, tree's, etc etc. This so-called sighting is unreliable.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2019, 03:44:PM »
in court john ferriss admite he was cloe to wear jodis body was found.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2019, 04:53:PM »
Sorry for questions that have probably been answered previously. You all seem to be very well versed on this case.

An answer that I can't find - when GD and JF came back up the path from the Tool Hire at Newbattle to GD's home at Easthouses, they were having issues with the moped. Did they drive the moped up the path or walked the moped Back to GD's? Or was it a bit of both?

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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2019, 05:30:PM »
in court john ferriss admite he was cloe to wear jodis body was found.

Your like a parrot, NOBODY has been disputing this.


Ferris also admitted to witnessing Luke jabbing Jodi in the leg with a knife and also verbally abusing her, but since that does not suit the narrative, that he is a liar. Can't have the best of both worlds.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2019, 05:37:PM »
Your like a parrot, NOBODY has been disputing this.


Ferris also admitted to witnessing Luke jabbing Jodi in the leg with a knife and also verbally abusing her, but since that does not suit the narrative, that he is a liar. Can't have the best of both worlds.

well if nobody disputes that what is there to dispute.

they right next to a murder scene at the time a murder is supposed to have taken place
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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2019, 05:40:PM »
Sorry for questions that have probably been answered previously. You all seem to be very well versed on this case.

An answer that I can't find - when GD and JF came back up the path from the Tool Hire at Newbattle to GD's home at Easthouses, they were having issues with the moped. Did they drive the moped up the path or walked the moped Back to GD's? Or was it a bit of both?

Nobody can say with certain, how far they rode or how far they pushed. One thing for certain though, is the cyclist, never seen any 2 lads on a moped, or any moped propped against any wall, but he will be classed as a liar as well.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2019, 05:43:PM »
well if nobody disputes that what is there to dispute.

they right next to a murder scene at the time a murder is supposed to have taken place

You're the one starting the threads dafty, I'm disputing that they were seen there, by a 3rd party as has been claimed, this is nonsense.

Answer the other claim by Ferris, that he witnessed Luke abusing Jodi, is he a liar?

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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2019, 05:46:PM »
well if nobody disputes that what is there to dispute.

they right next to a murder scene at the time a murder is supposed to have taken place

Oh so the murder did take place at 5:15?

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2019, 05:51:PM »
Oh so the murder did take place at 5:15?

why the patholgist dident actully give a time of a time the proscution

the proscuting did not give 515 as the exact time just around that time nobody that precise about a time of death.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2019, 06:00:PM »
why the patholgist dident actully give a time of a time the proscution

the proscuting did not give 515 as the exact time just around that time nobody that precise about a time of death.

Only when its suits the narrative right? Messy. So Ferris is a liar right?