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the 2 youths on the moped.
« on: November 19, 2019, 03:11:PM »
new thrad to debate what tey were doing there.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 05:58:PM »
ill try andind thelink to say were admits to being.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 06:09:PM »
here is were ferris dmits to being.

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Re: the 3 youths on the moped.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 10:58:PM »
Was it not just two youths with the moped, GD and JF?

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 11:37:PM »
Was it not just two youths with the moped, GD and JF?

yes sorry just a typo ill correct it.

it was 2
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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2019, 09:32:AM »
I agree nugnug that the boys were definitely on the path. I just wanted more clarity on the sighting of the moped at the V. From Google Street View, it looks like a long way from the road to spot a moped or the V break, but I am not familiar with the area, so I cannot say if it's possible or not.

In contrast, if the boys were being a nuisance with their loud moped, then the Tool Hire employee could have been looking out for them on his way home and if the moped was brightly coloured and he knew what to look for, then it may be perfectly plausible that he did spot it on his drive home.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2019, 06:56:PM »
1. Small path entrance to the right, you cannot see a few yards in.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2019, 06:57:PM »
2. Junction, from Newbattle to Beeches, looking towards the path. You cannot see jack.


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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2019, 06:58:PM »
3. Half way along Beeches, looking towards path/treeline 270 yards away, embankment up to field higher than drivers side. You cannot see jack.


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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2019, 06:59:PM »
4. Top of beeches, on Mansfield Road, looking towards path, over 550 yards away, you cannot see jack.


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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2019, 06:59:PM »
5. Middle of field, looking towards path just over 100 yards away, you cannot see jack.

Bear in mind, the embankment on beeches would block any view, you would also have to be driving down beeches towards Newbattle, to have a slight chance, absolutely no chance if your diving up beeches towards Mansfield road.
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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2019, 08:02:AM »
No-one suggested the bike was spotted at the point where the Newbattle Road turns onto the Beeches.

You're basically calling this witness a liar, with no idea what sort of vehicle they were in and what other possibilities might exist for being able to see the bike from a vehicle?


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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2019, 10:43:AM »
Must be another one of your made up witnesses :))

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2019, 12:51:PM »
It definitely looks like a long distance away from these Google street view images, but these are taken with a wide angle lens to allow the camera to capture the entire panorama. This gives a distorted image compared to real life. That’s why on street view, it’s very hard to read house numbers and house names that are easily read from your car.

Looking at the distance, the shortest line of site is 250 metres which isn’t crazy. I compared it to some fields near my home and I could definitely make out a moped if it was in a clear line of site. Working at a tool hire shop, there is the possibility that he was driving a commercial vehicle of some sort.

Those who have actually driven those roads would know better though, which I have not.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2019, 01:26:PM »
worth noting if you local to area or visit to size up visibility that its very diffrent in winter comparedto hieght of summer when the crime was comitted. woodland strip behind wall is/was quite overgrown and growth extends up over wall for large sections of the length of it, also lots of bushy growth both sides of path itself