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the 2 youths on the moped.
« on: November 19, 2019, 03:11:PM »
new thrad to debate what tey were doing there.
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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 05:58:PM »
ill try andind thelink to say were admits to being.
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Re: the 3 youths on the moped.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 06:09:PM »
here is were ferris dmits to being.

https://t.co/uQyRrOeyQN?amp=1

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Re: the 3 youths on the moped.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 10:58:PM »
Was it not just two youths with the moped, GD and JF?

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 11:37:PM »
Was it not just two youths with the moped, GD and JF?

yes sorry just a typo ill correct it.

it was 2
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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2019, 09:32:AM »
I agree nugnug that the boys were definitely on the path. I just wanted more clarity on the sighting of the moped at the V. From Google Street View, it looks like a long way from the road to spot a moped or the V break, but I am not familiar with the area, so I cannot say if it's possible or not.

In contrast, if the boys were being a nuisance with their loud moped, then the Tool Hire employee could have been looking out for them on his way home and if the moped was brightly coloured and he knew what to look for, then it may be perfectly plausible that he did spot it on his drive home.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2019, 08:02:AM »
No-one suggested the bike was spotted at the point where the Newbattle Road turns onto the Beeches.

You're basically calling this witness a liar, with no idea what sort of vehicle they were in and what other possibilities might exist for being able to see the bike from a vehicle?


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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2019, 10:43:AM »
Must be another one of your made up witnesses :))

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2019, 12:51:PM »
It definitely looks like a long distance away from these Google street view images, but these are taken with a wide angle lens to allow the camera to capture the entire panorama. This gives a distorted image compared to real life. That’s why on street view, it’s very hard to read house numbers and house names that are easily read from your car.

Looking at the distance, the shortest line of site is 250 metres which isn’t crazy. I compared it to some fields near my home and I could definitely make out a moped if it was in a clear line of site. Working at a tool hire shop, there is the possibility that he was driving a commercial vehicle of some sort.

Those who have actually driven those roads would know better though, which I have not.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2019, 01:26:PM »
worth noting if you local to area or visit to size up visibility that its very diffrent in winter comparedto hieght of summer when the crime was comitted. woodland strip behind wall is/was quite overgrown and growth extends up over wall for large sections of the length of it, also lots of bushy growth both sides of path itself

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2019, 01:28:PM »
Still playing guess the drivel, oops driver game?
Now morphed into - oh what kind of vehicle were they driving, where was this vehicle, what means did
this witness have to claim this was at this V point.

Load the statement where it says "close to the V"
Simple really.

Just for clarities sake Harper?
No one is disputing this duo were on the path.
No one is disputing this bike was at a standstill.
They both admitted this, they were having trouble stopping and starting it - of course it was at
a standstill, several times along this path - all technically close to this V break.

It matters not this weightless claim of a witness seeing (cough) this bike. It is not disputed the bike
was there.

Why do you feel Harper, that Ms Lean needs to push this sighting (without clarity) of this bike, unmanned over and over.
The boys have admitted their bike was at a standstill.

There is, more to the point - absolutely nothing, that puts these boys on this path for any more than
20mins - easy to determine that all of this time was needed, to push and try to start this bike.
They simply had absolutely no time for anything else.
They were back in GD for 5.30pm - witnessed.
There were other people out and about that evening after 5.30pm
No bike no boys seen anywhere near this path, after this time.

What is clear is the noise from this bike and the boys - Luke could not have failed to hear this.
Is this the real reason why Luke did not finish, those very actions he had started?
He needed to Hide this girl and get away from there.






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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2019, 01:30:PM »
Images are spot on Dave - they clearly show from everywhere, that unless you are actually on this path,
you can not see the V in this wall.

We don't need Google for that though - Ms Lean has clarified this clearly, before herself.

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2019, 01:37:PM »
worth noting if you local to area or visit to size up visibility that its very diffrent in winter comparedto hieght of summer when the crime was comitted. woodland strip behind wall is/was quite overgrown and growth extends up over wall for large sections of the length of it, also lots of bushy growth both sides of path itself

As how it was in the woodland itself:
This woodland area - that Luke had never entered before.
Instantly seeing this V in the dark, instantly going over and finding Jodi - in seconds.
Behind this large Oak tree, that he also recognized in the dark.
Taking in all around him - not distracted at all, by his dead girlfriend!

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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2019, 01:46:PM »
A bit rich coming from you when it comes to calling wittiness's liar. Where do i start? Flemming/Walsh. Bryson. Ferris. All the Jones family. The Mitchell's neighbours. The police. The tattoo artist. Do i need to continue? But oh no, when someone with superman vision, and can drive perfectly along a road while looking in the complete opposite direction, and then with perfect detail describe, a V, 2 lads and a moped in the distance, what utter nonsense.

Tsk Tsk Davie;

Ms Lean introduces PTSD as a possibility for SM having total amnesia.
Of this surreal experience for the Mitchels.
Of Luke's trauma and heavy medication.
Of Luke's PTSD in p**sing in bottles.
 

For the Jones family we have - 
A family who she puts a ? around as to why they did not get their stories straight, they were in each others
company within hours of this girls death.
The clue of course is there - within hours of this girls death, their daughter, sister, granddaughter, niece and so
forth had been brutally murdered - Ms Lean wonders why they were not setting their stories straight, when they got together - putting this girls death aside to do so?
They simply had no story to get straight.
LM and CM's however was very straight - and one wonders why the police were suspicious.



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Re: the 2 youths on the moped.
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2019, 03:44:PM »
in court john ferriss admite he was cloe to wear jodis body was found.