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the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« on: November 17, 2019, 07:31:PM »
first she left 5 pm then she left home at 530 pm then she left at 450pm what is going on here.

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Re: the chaning times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2019, 08:28:PM »
Initially, Judith said Jodi came downstairs and said she was going out. She didn't say where, she didn't say who she was going out to meet and Judith didn't say what time Jodi left - only that, when she came downstairs and said she was going out, it was "about 5 o'clock."

Media reports for the first week said Jodi left home "around 5.30pm." Why? I haven't seen any statements from Judith that said Jodi waited around for half an hour, after saying she was going out, before she actually left. But if Jodi only came downstairs at about 5 o'clock to say she was going out, which is more credible - a leaving time of 4.50pm, or two witness sightings of a girl who could have been Jodi, close to her home, at 5.05pm (one of the witnesses knew Jodi by sight)?

What else could have caused the media to misreport by half an hour initially?

Mrs Bryson's original statement, known to police by late afternoon July 1st, was that she made her sighting around 5.45pm

Luke called Jodi's mum's landline twice, just after 5.30pm, to say he'd had dinner and was "out." Statements suggest Mr Ovens believed Jodi had "just left." Judith wasn't alarmed because she'd lost track of time. She didn't realise almost 50 minutes had passed since Jodi "left" at 4.50pm and Luke's second call at 5.40pm (his first call, eight minutes earlier, didn't connect).

The boys on the moped weren't traced until July 5th/6th. Since they were seen by various witnesses at just before 5pm, just after 5pm (on the Newbattle Road, pushing the bike) and their moped was spotted at 5.15pm at the V break in the wall, it's reasonable to suppose the police would have calculated they'd need at least another 15 minutes - maybe more - to push the bike the rest of the way up the path, so they might have seen Jodi on her way down, if she left home at 5.30pm

Can anyone think of any other reasons for the initial reporting of a leaving time of 5.30pm?


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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2019, 08:33:PM »
oh so jodis mum never claimed she left at 530

so who would of told the press it was 530
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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2019, 08:44:PM »
That's my question, nugnug.

Originally (i.e. in the first week, when the media were reporting 5.30) Judith had never suggested a time that late.

She did agree, later, that it could have been 5.30pm, before the whole shift to 4.50 happened. This is a point I've made over and over again - if the police ask, is it possible it was later, most people will agree, yes, it's possible, no matter how likely they think it is.

But in the first 5 days, Judith, herself, didn't mention 5.30, even though the media were plastering that pretty much everywhere as Jodi's leaving time.

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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2019, 08:54:PM »
well i doubt it was the police becouse they made the reconstruction vid for 5 pm
« Last Edit: November 17, 2019, 10:43:PM by nugnug »

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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2019, 10:15:PM »
Really, so this constant mention of Jodi leaving home around 5.30pm is from media reports.
Interesting.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2019, 10:15:PM by Parky41 »

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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2019, 10:46:PM »
now whos job would it have been to brief the press

there would be the police press officer.

and there were also 2 people in the family who took on the responsibility of talking to the press

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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2019, 11:22:PM »
Would that be a spokesperson from the Mitchel end then? Clearly Luke who claims Jodi was leaving around this time to meet him.
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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2019, 07:31:AM »
A "spokesperson for the Mitchells," Parky? In the first week? Show me an example - any example. The media didn't talk to the Mitchells (with the exception of the Sky interview) - they talked about them.

The comment from Luke about Alan Ovens telling him, "they've just left ... I think he just meant Jodi" wasn't made until July 4th, by which time the 5.30pm time of leaving had already been being reported for a  few days.

The only other example I can think of of a "spokesperson for the Mitchells" was Luke's lawyer, in the August, after he was banned from school telling the education department to put up or shut up - nothing to do with Jodi's time of leaving.

We know of a covert "spokesperson" (for want of a better description) - the FLO who was secretly gathering and manipulating "evidence" against Luke, unlawfully - I think Donald Findlays' description - the vixen in the henhouse - is more accurate, though

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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2019, 07:34:PM »
i wonder did the changing of the time to 530 have anything to do with the stocky being sighted at 505.

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Re: the chaning times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2019, 12:51:PM »
The boys on the moped weren't traced until July 5th/6th. Since they were seen by various witnesses at just before 5pm, just after 5pm (on the Newbattle Road, pushing the bike) and their moped was spotted at 5.15pm at the V break in the wall, it's reasonable to suppose the police would have calculated they'd need at least another 15 minutes - maybe more - to push the bike the rest of the way up the path, so they might have seen Jodi on her way down, if she left home at 5.30pm

First post, but I've been trying to keep up with the discussion and opinions on this case for some time.

I know the moped being spotted at the V break has been discussed before, but I could not figure out who it was spotted by and where it was spotted from? It was mentioned that it was seen at the V break from a road? I recall that it was not LK, who was cycling up the path, that spotted the unmanned moped?

Did any of the employees of the Tool Hire Shop walk down Roan's Dyke Path after 5pm?

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Re: the chaning times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2019, 02:25:PM »
First post, but I've been trying to keep up with the discussion and opinions on this case for some time.

I know the moped being spotted at the V break has been discussed before, but I could not figure out who it was spotted by and where it was spotted from? It was mentioned that it was seen at the V break from a road? I recall that it was not LK, who was cycling up the path, that spotted the unmanned moped?

Did any of the employees of the Tool Hire Shop walk down Roan's Dyke Path after 5pm?

Hey Harps, you better introduce yourself in the foyer first, before you get a row, they are fussy in here.

If you read back though the topics with loads of post, should find some info in there, although, to quickly answer your question, no the tool hire guys NEVER seen the bike at the V, this information has been twisted with some clever wordplay to what these guys did & did not see. Apparently someone with superman vision seen it from a road 400/500 yards away over a field and though some trees. Mind boggling.

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Re: the chaning times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2019, 03:12:PM »
First post, but I've been trying to keep up with the discussion and opinions on this case for some time.

I know the moped being spotted at the V break has been discussed before, but I could not figure out who it was spotted by and where it was spotted from? It was mentioned that it was seen at the V break from a road? I recall that it was not LK, who was cycling up the path, that spotted the unmanned moped?

Did any of the employees of the Tool Hire Shop walk down Roan's Dyke Path after 5pm?

i think that needs a threadof its own so ihave created one.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10052.0.html

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Re: the chaning times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2019, 03:18:PM »
First post, but I've been trying to keep up with the discussion and opinions on this case for some time.

I know the moped being spotted at the V break has been discussed before, but I could not figure out who it was spotted by and where it was spotted from? It was mentioned that it was seen at the V break from a road? I recall that it was not LK, who was cycling up the path, that spotted the unmanned moped?

Did any of the employees of the Tool Hire Shop walk down Roan's Dyke Path after 5pm?

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no direct admission from Ferris in statements that the bike was against the wall at 5.15pm, but, taken with the evidence of the other two witnesses (the one who saw them pushing the bike just after 5pm and the one who saw the bike against the wall at the V at 5.15pm)

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After the boys on the moped passed through the tool hire place, an employee there told police that s/he spotted the bike parked against the V break (with no people in sight) on the witness's drive home.

To be clear these boys never admitted to having their bike unmanned at the V.
And as Dave rightly points out - it is impossible to see this V break from any road around this area. Hard pushed to see the bike far less people, hardly surprising that they saw no one on this claimed sighting of this bike - on the path.

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Re: the changing times for jodi leaving home.
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2019, 05:42:PM »
Thanks for the info Davie and Parky. That answers my question.