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Offline David1819

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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #420 on: November 17, 2019, 05:28:PM »
I haven't seen the above quote anywhere - can you please provide an independent source for it. I'm not asking to be difficult, I would just like to confirm where it comes from?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7303.msg346366.html#msg346366



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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #421 on: November 17, 2019, 05:43:PM »
Yes that was first brought up earlier this week.

David does write a lot of things in bold or red. To try to give his posts more gravitas. However what is actually written is often rubbish.

Either that or he is putting up offensive images or 'gish gash' quotes when frustrated. Ignoring moderator instructions.

Hopefully David will improve as a poster.

Everything I post in bold,italics and colour is text quoted from elsewhere. Its serves to differentiate between my claims and evidence I use to support those claims. It makes my posts easier read/understand plus I am a bit OCD on how I present stuff.  No harm done.

There is nothing wrong about posting images or exposing the dishonest and fallacious debate tactic you use.

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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #422 on: November 17, 2019, 06:34:PM »

I can give instance of a woman who only recognized, in her mid 40's, the abuse she'd suffered as a child, and the subsequent effect it had had on her as an adult. Most of us are too busy trying to make the best of the cards we've been dealt to look at what's going on. As you say, RJ, we can only draw on our own experiences. I find ilb's stance to be particularly judgemental but it MAY be that he/she has had a very sheltered life, or has had one devoid of the traumas many have faced.
just seen this. If you haven't already gathered it's a He. And I haven't had a sheltered life, and i have faced traumas. Who hasn't at some stage?
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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #424 on: November 17, 2019, 06:40:PM »
Everything I post in bold,italics and colour is text quoted from elsewhere. Its serves to differentiate between my claims and evidence I use to support those claims. It makes my posts easier read/understand plus I am a bit OCD on how I present stuff.  No harm done.

There is nothing wrong about posting images or exposing the dishonest and fallacious debate tactic you use.

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I understand that you post quotes in red etc. it would be just helpful if you said where it was quoted from.
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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #425 on: November 17, 2019, 08:20:PM »

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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #426 on: November 17, 2019, 08:54:PM »
The defence are suggesting Julie got the information not in the press from the police. This must be prior to her approach to SJ. Otherwise they are saying the police were corrupt.

They are also suggesting AE somehow found this out. Then somehow passed it onto Julie. Did she do it by email or text?
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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #427 on: November 17, 2019, 09:00:PM »
I understand that you post quotes in red etc. it would be just helpful if you said where it was quoted from.

Everyone can read everyones posts. Not sure why David wants to post in red or bold so much.

But he does need to provide sources. No matter how strange.
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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #428 on: August 26, 2020, 07:58:AM »
There should be more discussion on this old thread re perjury and the money trail video

Old post of David’s

Key inconsistencies and lies made by prosecution witnesses that went unchallenged before the Jury.

Claims Jeremy said he could kill anybody and his parents.

Robert Boutflour told the Jury this when the prosecution brought the subject up.

"A: Yes, he stated: "Oh no, uncle Bobbie, I could kill anybody. I could even kill my parents" or words to that effect. The important thing was he said "I could easily kill my parents"


In this answer alone he has already changed "even" to "easily". The prosecutor then asks how RWB reacted to this and he said he was "Shocked".

While going through Barlow's note book, reading all the pointless things RWB was reporting to Barlow, it occured to me that this "Shocking" conversation with Jeremy is never brought up. Barlow also goes on to say that nothing AE and RWB said to him made him anymore suspicious of Jeremy.

The only record I know of when RWB informs the police of this alleged conversation. Is in this typed letter he made on the 7th of September then sent it to ACC Simpson. If this is the first time the Police heard about it, then it is almost certainly a lie.

Lying about the silencers significance.

Ann Eaton told the Jury this in regards to her understanding of the silencer.

"At the time I did not know whether it was rabbit blood or what. and I thought the jewellery was the most important thing, turns out I was wrong."

This is a lie. Because the previous year her account on the same subject was as follows.

"We discussed the implication of how this silencer could be in the gun cupboard with blood and paint on it. Obviously if it was being alleged that somebody had had a brainstorm and shot dead four people they would surely not have stopped to remove the silencer, put it back in the gun cupboard, go back upstairs and shoot herself dead. Contact was made with the police about the discovery of the blood and paint stained silencer."

Ann Eaton told the court she thought it was rabbits blood.

RIVLIN: How could you imagine that the blood at the end of the silencer might be a rabbits blood?
ANN EATON: I don't know.
RIVLIN: That is what you told the court. How could you imagine that it might be a rabbits blood?
ANN EATON: Jeremy said he had been shooting rabbits the night before.

However Jeremy said he did not get a chance to shoot them. . Ann Eaton knew Jeremy said this and wrote this in her notes. Hence her answer "Jeremy said he had been shooting rabbits the night before." as for why she thought rabbit blood was on the silencer is clearly a lie.

Furthermore if she did indeed think it was rabbit blood and had no importance why did she report it to the police in the first place?

ARLIDGE: As a result of that being found, were police contacted?
ANN EATON: Yes, Witham Police
ARLIDGE: Do you know the date on which that took place?
ANN EATON: Saturday night.
ARLIDGE: That very evening?
ANN EATON: Yes.
MR. Justice Drake: (To the witness): Q: Who actually contacted them?
ANN EATON: It was probably me, but I cannot remember, but Witham Police were contacted.

The full story of Shelia's bloody underwear

ARLIDGE: What did you do with them in the end? Do they still exist?
ANN EATON: No we decided to put them in the rubbish bin in the kitchen.

This is called lying by omission. In 1991 Ann Eaton admits taking the bloody knickers back to Oak Farm.

Sheila firing a gun

At trial David Boutflour denied having any memory of seeing Sheila firing a gun. Yet according to David James Smith, David Boutflour later admitted that Sheila had used his shotgun.

And so, if a fair trial transpired the judges summing up should be along the lines of : Do you believe Jeremy or do you believe his relatives?
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.
« Reply #429 on: August 26, 2020, 10:13:AM »
There were no witnesses to acknowledge what JB had said to RWB. That gem appeared a month later !!