Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.

[Jane]

Something like that. This is what happens to the poor sods who get their posthumous pardons.

I don't want to be waiting too long for results either ! Tough I'll take my chances on buying an LP.

In another 16 years, I may have forgotten who I am, let alone who was Jeremy Bamber!!!

[lookout]

In another 16 years, I may have forgotten who I am, let alone who was Jeremy Bamber!!!

I could have expired by then, but you never know. 2020 marks my 80th ! How lucky will that be ?

[Jane]

I could have expired by then, but you never know. 2020 marks my 80th ! How lucky will that be ?

 I hope it will be. 80 in 2020. That has a nicely rounded flow to it.

[Caroline]

I'd love to see both. After 34 years you'd think they be released ?

What do you mean 'released' - it's a trial transcript, trials are held in public!

[lookout]

What do you mean 'released' - it's a trial transcript, trials are held in public!

Whatever it is that's hidden.

[Caroline]

Whatever it is that's hidden.

They were on about the trial transcripts - both Bamber and his legal team will have a copy. You can buy them but they are expensive and given the age of this case, if you could buy one, you would need a second mortgage.

[lookout]

They were on about the trial transcripts - both Bamber and his legal team will have a copy. You can buy them but they are expensive and given the age of this case, if you could buy one, you would need a second mortgage.

I was about to ask how much until you mentioned mortgage. Oh dear.

[Caroline]

I was about to ask how much until you mentioned mortgage. Oh dear.

I'm not sure Lookout, I suspect it would depend on the trial - ie. like how long it last etc. New cases are probably stored electronically but old cases would have to be copied and I certainly wouldn't like that job.

[Caroline]

"The prosecution said Miss Mugford would have had to have had a convoluted mind to have made all this up. We say that she has."That Matthew (Mac-Donald) story is not only wrong in itself, but contains in it a number of details which can be proved to be untrue and which she can only have got from the police or Ann Eaton"

I haven't seen the above quote anywhere - can you please provide an independent source for it. I'm not asking to be difficult, I would just like to confirm where it comes from?

[Kaldin]

In the 2002 appeal document it says that Jeremy's trial transcript didn't survive, but the cross examination is available.

The Appellant's Evidence at Trial 137. No transcript has survived as to the appellant's evidence in chief, although it seems clear from the summing up that it was entirely consistent with that which he had told the police. A transcript of his cross-examination is available. In cross-examination the appellant said Sheila Caffell had frequent delusions and had spoken to him of suicide.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[Adam]

I haven't seen the above quote anywhere - can you please provide an independent source for it. I'm not asking to be difficult, I would just like to confirm where it comes from?

Yes that was first brought up earlier this week.

David does write a lot of things in bold or red. To try to give his posts more gravitas. However what is actually written is often rubbish.

Either that or he is putting up offensive images or 'gish gash' quotes when frustrated. Ignoring moderator instructions.

Hopefully David will improve as a poster.

[Caroline]

Yes that was first brought up earlier this week.

David does write a lot of things in bold or red. To try to give his posts more gravitas. However what is actually written is often rubbish.

Either that or he is putting up offensive images or 'gish gash' quotes when frustrated. Ignoring moderator instructions.

Hopefully David will improve as a poster.

I have searched for it but the only reference to it, is from David. Perhaps he had Rivlin's summing up but without an independent source, it doesn't mean anything.

[Adam]

Nugs used to create threads on his visions. Treating them as fact & asking questions.

When discussions started it would validate Nugs's vision. Nugs would at first stonewall source requests, which is what David is currently doing.

[Caroline]

Nugs used to create threads on his visions. Treating them as fact & asking questions.

When discussions started it would validate Nugs's vision. Nugs would at first stonewall source requests, which is what David is currently doing.

That's why it's always best to provide a link or post the original source.

[Adam]

That's why it's always best to provide a link or post the original source.

David does provide sources sometimes. Goodness knows where he finds them.

When he has no source he will write in red or bold as if what is being posted has gravitas. Nugs would just create a thread.