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Offline sandra L

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2019, 06:40:PM »
It seems strange that he did not come forward when there was an appeal for him. But there could be a number of reasons he didn’t. The fact the police seem to give up looking for him seems clear, it didn’t fit with their theory so they went with the Bryson sighting instead which might have been a huge mistake if Luke is in fact innocent.

Going with the Bryson sighting and all of the manipulation it needed to make it "fit" isn't what most people would expect in an investigation aiming to uncover the truth.

One witness who did not know either of the people she claimed to see (and whose descriptions did not fit the people police were talking about) versus two witnesses who saw the same thing - a male following closely behind a girl matching Jodi's description, one of whom knew Jodi, and they went with the former - it just doesn't make any sense.

The Bryson account went through so many changes - originally, it was almost an hour later than the time finally claimed by police (even though Mrs Bryson herself double checked the time with a phone call she'd received from her husband shortly after she got home), a ridiculously convoluted route from the shopping trip to Easthouses to view the house for sale was introduced to account for different timings and the final account (of a sighting between 4.49 and 4.54) is impossible, even by the police's own reasoning. According to that reasoning, Mrs Bryson would have been arriving at Easthouses at 4.49 - 4.54, not leaving, after getting lost trying to find the house for sale. But her account is that she made the sighting after viewing the house and turning around to head for home- she was absolutely certain of that. But if Jodi was not at the Easthouses entrance to the path by 4.49 - 4.54pm, she could not have been murdered at 5.15pm - there's not enough time for her to get from that point to the V, over the wall and sustain all of the injuries she sustained before the knife attack that killed her.


If Jodi left at 4.50pm, she couldn't have been seen at the entrance to the path at 4.49 (she was still at home). 4.50 (she was just leaving), 4.51 - 4.52:40 (that's how long it would have taken her to walk there), so the earliest time Mrs Bryson could have seen someone who could have been Jodi at the entrance to the path, on the Easthouses Road, is 4.52:40, leaving just a 1 minute and 20 seconds window for her "sighting."

We now also know that time has to be factored in for the joint Jodi smoked within an hour of her death. Her mother is adamant she did not smoke cannabis at home, none of the witnesses saw Jodi (or a girl who could have been Jodi) smoking and her friends say she would not have been walking along outside, openly smoking a joint on her own. So where, when and with whom did she smoke that joint?

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2019, 08:37:PM »

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2019, 10:12:PM »
Interesting article, I thought:

https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/police-seek-youth-who-trailed-jodi-1-656152

An article to help you Nugnug - save you from posting mistaken information around the High Five sighting.

This having a smoke, clearly with Luke then, most probably in their favourite hang out place, in the woodland,
where she was murdered. Where their initials where carved into the tree. A place for them, suitable for that fly puff which they appear to have frequented prior to her death.
It really does all fit together.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2019, 07:19:AM »
The initials carved in the tree were not "where she was murdered."

If you've read my post about Luke's alibi, would you like to explain how Jodi was having a smoke with Luke?

There is zero evidence that the place Jodi was murdered is a place they "appear to have frequented" - the only evidence is that they sometimes hung out at the big break at the Easthouses end of the wall.

The only evidence of anyone frequenting the area where Jodi was murdered refers to Ferris and Dickie.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2019, 03:38:PM »
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/The+Beeches,+Dalkeith/Newbattle+Rd,+Dalkeith/@55.8773097,-3.0719779,1043m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x4887be986ce0383d:0x3f6e9b543d9e3bb!2m2!1d-3.0645335!2d55.8747911!1m5!1m1!1s0x4887bebc2169e0c9:0xd979216a3b180564!2m2!1d-3.0706676!2d55.8798285

When you look at Google Maps - directly across from the marked area of the Beeches, is a narrow stretch of Woodland. Starting
from the white coloured dot of the, THE.
The faded white line we see is Roansdyke Path.
The V break is around where the S is at the end of the word Beeches?
The tree location, that had the initials carved into it is where the woodland becomes slightly thicker, nearing the bend, at the
Easthoues's end?

This is the stretch of woodland that Jodi was murdered in.
This is the same stretch of woodland that both Luke and Jodi hung out in.
Plain and simple.

Look at the distance from Newbattle Road to the Beeches. The time scale of 8mins - we know these timings are somewhat
economical. Transfer this to the length of this path and woodland.
So, an area of woodland, somewhat dense and small - is classed as one and the same.
The tree with the carving and the locus - are both in this same woodland.
There is concrete evidence to show that Luke Mitchel and Jodi did hang out in this wood.
If one wants to believe, that a pair of courting teenagers, would stick to one spot, that is of course each persons right, to do so.
I simply do not believe this.
More so, when you have those first denials, of not being in this woodland before, at all.
Of not knowing of the existence of this V break in this wall.
This is a path that Luke Mitchel definitely frequented.
When walking to his mothers work.
When going to meet with Jodi.
When hanging out with Jodi they used both the path and woodland.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2019, 06:29:PM »
Massive distortion of truth though . May as well say they hung out in a wood in dalkeith. Those two marks are hundreds of yards apart. Like being in the away end at a football match. You and the home support are still in the same venue.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #81 on: November 18, 2019, 07:11:PM »
Massive distortion of truth though . May as well say they hung out in a wood in dalkeith. Those two marks are hundreds of yards apart. Like being in the away end at a football match. You and the home support are still in the same venue.

I was just about to make the same point, Marty!

Also, Luke never "denied being in this woodland" - another distortion. He said he had never been "that far down" into the woodland strip which, in itself, supports his claim that he had entered it from the Easthouses end, behind Newbattle High School at the big break in the wall where loads of teenagers hung out to smoke, etc. The very point where Parky points out the woodland "becomes slightly thicker, nearing the bend at the Easthouses end" - interesting choice of words. The woodland strip becomes wider from the wall to the northmost boundary at the Easthouses end, but the vegetation does not become more dense, it becomes less so, hence it being a popular place for the kids to hang out! So, not "thicker" but wider.

Comparisons from google maps might seem compelling on paper, but they can't (and don't) reflect the reality of the actual location.

Why would Parky introduce "the distance from Newbattle Road to the Beeches"? That distance is about the turning circle radius of my car - you turn off the Newbattle Road directly onto the Beeches. Maybe Parky meant the distance from where Newbattle Abbey Crescent meets Newbattle Road to where Newbattle Road turns onto the Beeches? But that's another thing entirely.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2019, 12:01:PM »
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Why would Parky introduce "the distance from Newbattle Road to the Beeches"? That distance is about the turning circle radius of my car - you turn off the Newbattle Road directly onto the Beeches. Maybe Parky meant the distance from where Newbattle Abbey Crescent meets Newbattle Road to where Newbattle Road turns onto the Beeches? But that's another thing entirely.

Perhaps if using a phone to access the link one needs to switch to satellite when in Google Maps.
I can see where the confusion may lie, within my description.
The Satellite image gives one (if interested of course) a clearer idea not only of the woodland but of its length and width.
Whilst one may liken this to a football pitch - it is no Nottingham Forrest?
Simply a small stretch of woodland - that Luke and Jodi hung out in together.

Perhaps when Luke was faced with evidence of this carving, he attempted to clarify by stating only then;
that he had not went as far down into this small stretch of somewhat narrow woodland - to the actual locus.
He did attempt at first - to deny being in at all - Thus why the carving was produced as evidence to the contrary.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2019, 06:46:PM »
well this conflicts with Bryson's sighting  brsyn claims she did not know Jodi this witness did know Jodi so who is more likely t have got it right someone who knew Jodi r someone who dident.