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Offline David1819

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2019, 03:48:PM »
Unless of course you have doubts in how truthful CM is?


That of the emphasis put on this jacket by CM in the podcast - of Luke hating jackets, of how difficult it was to get him to wear one, of her surprise in not only wanting to purchase a jacket, but a parka jacket at that.

In 2010 CM said that the police have had his green Parka all along. Implying that they made up it was missing and framing him.

Did she repeat this in the podcast?
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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2019, 04:21:PM »

In 2010 CM said that the police have had his green Parka all along. Implying that they made up it was missing and framing him.

Did she repeat this in the podcast?

have you ever thought of listning to the podcast.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2019, 06:31:PM »

In 2010 CM said that the police have had his green Parka all along. Implying that they made up it was missing and framing him.

Did she repeat this in the podcast?

It is another troubling part of the whole podcast - clear intention to mislead away from the missing parka.
She goes into great detail around this new purchase.
Of the FLO lying every time she opened her mouth.
Of the FLO taking the receipt upon their return from shopping.
More so that you could not get Luke to wear a jacket - he hated them.
That she tried not to buy the jacket - stating, but you don't wear jackets Luke,
you never wear jackets, why this type of jacket - it is July.
Aye mum but mum it will be winter soon, so Luke? you still don't wear jackets.
Aye mum it is in a sale though - PING.
The word sale to any mum means you just have to buy.

By all accounts - it appears Luke was wearing two on the 30th of June.
The missing parka jacket - then changed into his green blouson jacket.
We already know it was an overcast, wet cooler day.
Why the need to emphasis that her son, even in winter would barely wear one?
He clearly did wear jackets - and did on this particular day.
It has always been clear that this purchase was to replace the one he had previously.
Perhaps showing yet again - how Luke could not out smarten the police, which CM
clearly points out - that he was far more intelligent than the police?
Perhaps hoping - that this purchase would go unnoticed, but it did not.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2019, 06:49:PM »
another desprate to take the thread away from the stocky man.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2019, 07:06:PM »
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the witneses concerned did actully know jodi so it can be defanatly established thatit was jodithey saw being follwed by somebodygoingtowards a place where her bodywas later found.

anyone who thinks thats not signifcant needs a brain transplant


Are we not joining the dots correctly?
What do you make of Luke's hair colour - very dark almost black hair when younger. Dirty blonde in his photo ID pic in August.
Brown in the media pics and brown in this ponytail ones from court. One can easily see how on a dull, wet day this hair can
be mistaken for being dark, maybe reddish - definitely with sticky out clumpy bits.
How often did he wear that hair band, flattening his hair to his head, making the bottom and back - clumpy and sticking out.
And his love of course for military style clothing, khaki green with German badges. And of course high boots.
Thinking here also of AB's brother in law - of his mention of army style clothing and of this fisherman type jacket.
AB appears to have said somewhere in all of this, something of military style clothing?


When It comes to evidence that clearly shows, for the majority that Luke and Jodi were the couple witnessed at the entrance to this path,
the wrongful identification of this male, the non confirmation of time and indeed of this even being Jodi rightfully goes on the back burner.
The police clearly did try to establish if this merited further investigation. In the hope that, If this was Jodi then this male may have been
able to provide further information on the sighting of her with Luke.
What is abundantly clear is that one of these witnesses were completely wrong in their identification.
Marty clearly states either this or the other witness - picked this guy out from carrying this girls coffin.
You are stating this witness knew Jodi yet was not at her funeral? as they picked this male out from seeing the funeral via a media source.
Feasible to say that this witness did not know this girl well enough that she did not know her close family.
And the tying of different witnesses into one - the sighting of Jodi on Easthouse's road by someone who knew Jodi - comes under Ms Leans
calculations of an 8minute walk to the entrance of this path - clearly the main R'd that leads up to Mayfield.
The same sighting that takes in a trip to the local shops, of two sets of steps - heading in the other direction?
If you are now attempting to say, that one of the witnesses with this male in view - knew Jodi, then why did the police not mention this in any appeal.
They clearly gave descriptions of a girl who may have been Jodi, not one that they knew this to be Jodi? I could be wrong, if I am then you will have to
excuse me - it is rather difficult to keep track, very messy.


 

This article is obviously full of flaws -
They state it is Jodi, the police state it may have been, they state her mother put out a public appeal - not the aunts.
They do state this was around 5pm and not after or before.
The police - clearly by the 17th of July were looking to further establish the sighting by AB - Luke was the main suspect.
They did however and rightly so - choose to seek this male for information and elimination purpose.
You will have to excuse me here, if I choose to take the investigation account over that of Ms Leans, Ms Mitchells or indeed yourself Nugnug.
It is far fetched to the extreme - a complete mis-match of one liners from multiple statements. Blatant wrongful information and wild theories.
It is hardly surprising the level of support gained from this - 'there was semen and sperm from about 10 men all over the body'
"there was a mystery man seen following this girl up the path" "The sisters boyfriend was there around the TOD" " The cousin cut his hair to look like
someone on the bike"  "how easy would it be to take a bike, a knife, bloody clothing, chuck it in a van, put it in a crusher and gone forever" Not any old bike of course
the one that was impossibly seen at this V in the wall - Not that Ms Mitchell is pointing any fingers here. Just highlighting her and Ms Leans theory.
There is no parka jacket but if there was - it is possibly MK's. "The search trio HAD to walk directly passed YW's"  "The search trio were out searching for someone else"
It is the same mismatched placed theories for over a decade - started by Jigsawman - Ms Lean?   

Brain transplant - the positive ID of the male, via a funeral then confessed to this murder. OK. Maybe I do require one, unlike the majority of intellectual support,
do I appear to be joining the dots incorrectly?

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2019, 07:39:PM »
the fact she dident seem that bothred by his presence sugests he knew her i think.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2019, 12:19:AM »
the fact she dident seem that bothred by his presence sugests he knew her i think.

Youre so close to a brakethrough here nug.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2019, 02:24:PM »
It is another troubling part of the whole podcast - clear intention to mislead away from the missing parka.
She goes into great detail around this new purchase.
Of the FLO lying every time she opened her mouth.
Of the FLO taking the receipt upon their return from shopping.
More so that you could not get Luke to wear a jacket - he hated them.
That she tried not to buy the jacket - stating, but you don't wear jackets Luke,
you never wear jackets, why this type of jacket - it is July.
Aye mum but mum it will be winter soon, so Luke? you still don't wear jackets.
Aye mum it is in a sale though - PING.
The word sale to any mum means you just have to buy.

By all accounts - it appears Luke was wearing two on the 30th of June.
The missing parka jacket - then changed into his green blouson jacket.
We already know it was an overcast, wet cooler day.
Why the need to emphasis that her son, even in winter would barely wear one?
He clearly did wear jackets - and did on this particular day.
It has always been clear that this purchase was to replace the one he had previously.
Perhaps showing yet again - how Luke could not out smarten the police, which CM
clearly points out - that he was far more intelligent than the police?
Perhaps hoping - that this purchase would go unnoticed, but it did not.

Maybe someone can make a video of all her contradictions?

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2019, 05:14:PM »
Maybe someone can make a video of all her contradictions?

so you declaring her video to have contradictions without ever having watched it

what an idiot.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2019, 07:56:PM »
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By all accounts - it appears Luke was wearing two on the 30th of June.
The missing parka jacket - then changed into his green blouson jacket.

Well, by all accounts, he was actually wearing three jackets (potentially four), a German army shirt and a blue hoodie.

However, even if there were only two jackets by "all accounts" your timeline is out somewhat. He'd have to have been wearing the bomber jacket, then changed into the Parka, then changed back into the bomber jacket.

But if we're going by all actual accounts, he was wearing a bomber jacket, changed into matching fishing jacket and trousers, changed from that into a Parka jacket, then from that into a blue hoodie, back into a dark jacket that might have been a Parka (and dyed his hair), dyed his hair back again and changed into a German Army shirt and then back into the bomber jacket. And let not a trace of any of this anywhere.

Don't shoot the messenger (you will anyway!) - that's what "all accounts" require us to believe.


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We already know it was an overcast, wet cooler day.

No you don't. And it wasn't. Did AB mention rain/cold/overcast in any of her statements? No, in fact, the reason for one of her possible routes was so that the children could see the horses on the way home.

Does the reconstruction depict a wet/cold/overcast day? Nope.

Did any of the witnesses mention wet, cold overcast weather? No, not one.

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It has always been clear that this purchase was to replace the one he had previously.
Perhaps showing yet again - how Luke could not out smarten the police, which CM
clearly points out - that he was far more intelligent than the police?
Perhaps hoping - that this purchase would go unnoticed, but it did not.

That would actually be quite funny, Parky, if it wasn't so sad. The liaison officer had been in attendance for 9 days. The Mitchell family's every move was being watched, their every word being questioned. What on earth makes you think they believed that anything in those circumstances, would "go unnoticed"?

If it was clear that this purchase was to "replace the one he had previously," why didn't they arrest him right there and then, the minute the liaison officer asked for the receipt and Corinne gave it to her? That should have been the "Gotcha" moment, if it was so clear and they were so sure it was a replacement. But, no, even five weeks later, there's no mention of the "replacement" jacket that they have the receipt for - instead, they choose to interrogate Luke about a German army shirt that, they claim, "dozens" of witnesses have described seeing Luke wearing that very evening.

Why bother? If it was all so clear and obvious, why waste so much time on other, obviously irrelevant stuff? In fact, why leave their "dangerous suspect" at large in the community for another 9 months after they had the receipt as "proof" that the Parka was bought as a "replacement"?

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2019, 08:21:PM »
The word totties comes to mind :))

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2019, 10:47:AM »
Youre so close to a brakethrough here nug.

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2019, 12:48:PM »
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That would actually be quite funny, Parky, if it wasn't so sad. The liaison officer had been in attendance for 9 days. The Mitchell family's every move was being watched, their every word being questioned. What on earth makes you think they believed that anything in those circumstances, would "go unnoticed"?

If it was clear that this purchase was to "replace the one he had previously," why didn't they arrest him right there and then, the minute the liaison officer asked for the receipt and Corinne gave it to her? That should have been the "Gotcha" moment, if it was so clear and they were so sure it was a replacement. But, no, even five weeks later, there's no mention of the "replacement" jacket that they have the receipt for - instead, they choose to interrogate Luke about a German army shirt that, they claim, "dozens" of witnesses have described seeing Luke wearing that very evening.

Why bother? If it was all so clear and obvious, why waste so much time on other, obviously irrelevant stuff? In fact, why leave their "dangerous suspect" at large in the community for another 9 months after they had the receipt as "proof" that the Parka was bought as a "replacement"?

Ah, so Just 9 days, on day 3 the 2nd of July a diagram was drawn for the FLO of X marks the spot - I believe the reason giving for the diagram,
was they thought this police officer was a family friend - and not a police office, first and foremost, one gathering evidence.
By day 9 no questions were being asked about a Parka. No dealings with the police before. Perhaps this is an area where Luke thought he was more intelligent
than the police? CM clearly states that he was far more intelligent than the police.
That the police, will at some point discover he owned and wore a Parka Jacket - that at some point they would realise it was missing.
Did they actually expect that the receipts would be taken for this clothing? Where they that in tune with the workings of investigations?
And again we see here these claims of "every move being watched" Just a little OTT. The FLO most definitely would not have been with the Mitchells 24/7.
So, no - it is not clear, that the Mitchells would have expected these receipts to be taken. Why would they have expected this? Would it not be more accurate
to say, they hoped this purchase would go unnoticed - for that day, when the police would be looking for this jacket?
Again - Luke feeling he could out smarten the police - Luke didn't bank on the police being the police though, did he? As opposed to CM claiming the police
thought they could out smarten Luke - "The police didn't bank on Luke being Luke though"
 
The house was raided on the 4th and nothing found -  Why on earth would Luke and CM feel that receipts for new clothing would be taken? after this?
Mostly here - When the police are building  a case against someone - it would be rather foolish to hand the suspect everything on a plate, would it not?
And of course - what is being discussed here is of afterwards - Of all the evidence, once gathered and fitted together (we know, shoehorned)
It is after all the gathering of evidence - Even if the police, had found a knife say on day 9, they would  not make an immediate arrest, it would be taken to be
tested.
Rather a silly comment to make - that if they were so sure this was a replacement they would arrest him right there and then?! in this "Gotcha" moment.
Akin  perhaps to CM's line of reasoning - That Finlay could have just toddled off into court, said " Your Honour, we have blood, semen, hair and fibre - none of it my clients,
I rest my case"  Again pushing that high level of intellect forward.

Of course, I don't have "all of the evidence"  yet this green army shirt, the police were interrogating Luke about - would be khaki green with a German badge. So they most
definitely were on the right track here, keeping the jacket under wraps?  Talking of under, was Luke actually wearing a green army shirt with a German badge that evening?
Under his green 'pilot' jacket, over his black t-shirt with the infamous writing on it? How did anyone even manage to describe this?

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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2019, 01:06:PM »
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so who waas he then lithm why did he never come forward he wa follwing jodi to theplace where shewas later murdered

ws he the murderer

why was he followin her.
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Re: the stocky man seen follwing jodi.
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2019, 08:02:PM »
If this guy has also been seen carrying the coffin and confessed to the murder. Then whoever is spreading this crap should know the name of the guy they are trying to pin the murder on.