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Offline David1819

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Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« on: October 21, 2019, 03:15:AM »
Bews, Saxby and Bonnet all timed their dispatch to WHF at 3:35am. This means the clocks and watches of CA07 and Bonnet are all in sync.

Bews and Saxby both agree they arrived at WHF at 3:45am

Bonnet heard of their arrival at WHF at 3:48am. This can only be the result of a delayed message from CA07 confirming their arrival at the scene. 

Bews and Saxby both agree that Jeremy arrived two minutes after they did. Thus they have Jeremy arriving at 3:47am

And So.

Jeremy calls West at 3:36am and has two conversations with West while also being on hold for six minutes in-between. This means Jeremy got off the phone no sooner than 3:44am.

He then must drive at around 84 mph in order to reach his destination 4.2 miles away at 3:47am. This also allows no time for Jeremy to call Julie, get the car keys, and put clothes on.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2019, 03:15:AM »
Bews, Saxby and Bonnet all timed their dispatch to WHF at 3:35am. This means the clocks and watches of CA07 and Bonnet are all in sync.

Bews and Saxby both agree they arrived at WHF at 3:45am

Bonnet heard of their arrival at WHF at 3:48am. This can only be the result of a delayed message from CA07 confirming their arrival at the scene. 

Bews and Saxby both agree that Jeremy arrived two minutes after they did. Thus they have Jeremy arriving at 3:47am

And So.

Jeremy calls West at 3:36am and has two conversations with West while also being on hold for six minutes in-between. This means Jeremy got off the phone no sooner than 3:44am.

He then must drive at around 84 mph in order to reach his destination 4.2 miles away at 3:47am. This also allows no time for Jeremy to call Julie, get the car keys, and put clothes on.

If however Jeremy calls West 10 minutes earlier. Getting off the phone no sooner than 3:34am. This enables him to have a 9 minute journey to the scene at just under 30mph. The same speed as Bews and Saxby both said they passed him at. It also allows a further three minutes to put clothes on and call Julie prior to leaving.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2019, 08:58:AM »
Bews' statement is a bit confusing in this respect. He said this:

"About 3.45 on Wednesday 7th August I was on duty with Police Constable 1509 Myall and Police Constable 1995 Saxby, when as a result of information received we went to White House Farm ..."

Myall said much the same thing - he just changed the names. Saxby said he received the info at 3.30 when he was at Witham police station.

Did Bews and Myall mean they received the information at about 3.45 or that they arrived at the farm at about 3.45?

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2019, 09:49:AM »
If however Jeremy calls West 10 minutes earlier. Getting off the phone no sooner than 3:34am. This enables him to have a 9 minute journey to the scene at just under 30mph. The same speed as Bews and Saxby both said they passed him at. It also allows a further three minutes to put clothes on and call Julie prior to leaving.
And your point is..

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2019, 10:11:AM »
And your point is..

Jeremy didn't and couldn't have phoned West at 3.36

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2019, 10:15:AM »
Bews' statement is a bit confusing in this respect. He said this:

"About 3.45 on Wednesday 7th August I was on duty with Police Constable 1509 Myall and Police Constable 1995 Saxby, when as a result of information received we went to White House Farm ..."

Myall said much the same thing - he just changed the names. Saxby said he received the info at 3.30 when he was at Witham police station.

Did Bews and Myall mean they received the information at about 3.45 or that they arrived at the farm at about 3.45?

They both said they arrived at 3.45am

Bews statement is easily misinterpreted. He is talking about the journey to WHF in the past tense.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2019, 10:35:AM »
They both said they arrived at 3.45am

Bews statement is easily misinterpreted. He is talking about the journey to WHF in the past tense.

They said that later? This is the problem when talking about the timing of certain events. Statements aren't clear, police logs weren't written at the time, etc.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2019, 10:37:AM »
Jeremy didn't and couldn't have phoned West at 3.36

Agreed. That means that PC West made some kind of mistake when logging the time of the call.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2019, 12:03:PM »
They said that later? This is the problem when talking about the timing of certain events. Statements aren't clear, police logs weren't written at the time, etc.

No its written in Bews notebook that he made on the day also

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2019, 12:09:PM »
No its written in Bews notebook that he made on the day also

I can't find that. I found his notes, but it says the same as in his statement.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2019, 12:10:PM »
Agreed. That means that PC West made some kind of mistake when logging the time of the call.

No. In his original statement in mid August he claimed Jeremy rang him just before 3:26am

It was not until the following month he started saying it was 3:36am.

So he got it right and then got it wrong.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2019, 12:12:PM »
No. In his original statement in mid August he claimed Jeremy rang him just before 3:26am

It was not until the following month he started saying it was 3:36am.

So he got it right and then got it wrong.

He must have made a mistake because Jeremy couldn't have called him at 3.36 and got to the farm at around 3.48.

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2019, 12:14:PM »
He must have made a mistake because Jeremy couldn't have called him at 3.36 and got to the farm at around 3.48.

I know that. But West did get it right at first.

 

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2019, 12:16:PM »
Did West ever explain why he put 3.36 in his log?

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Re: Jeremy 'schumacher' Bamber
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 12:17:PM »
Did West ever explain why he put 3.36 in his log?

He admitted he could have written it down wrong.  ::)