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Offline David1819

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Re: bryson sighting.
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2019, 05:21:PM »
jodi ws wearing a black top and black trousers her description is clearly wrong. in the artical iposted it states that.

https://media.gettyimages.com/videos/jodi-jones-murder-police-stage-reconstruction-itn-scotland-dalkeith-video-id682859452

she also fails to mention jodis deaf tones logo.

That's an actor wearing different clothes you idiot.

The court document clearly states that exhibit 146 was a "black or very dark navy hooded top"

This witness saw Luke and Jodi around the place and time they agreed to meet all while Luke's brother was home alone jacking off to porn. She got both their clothes right also.

Oh but they remembered the time wrong by 10 minutes and didn't notice the logos on the clothes of people she saw! This changes everything!  ::)

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Re: bryson sighting.
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2019, 05:46:PM »
That's an actor wearing different clothes you idiot.

The court document clearly states that exhibit 146 was a "black or very dark navy hooded top"

This witness saw Luke and Jodi around the place and time they agreed to meet all while Luke's brother was home alone jacking off to porn. She got both their clothes right also.

Oh but they remembered the time wrong by 10 minutes and didn't notice the logos on the clothes of people she saw! This changes everything!  ::)

its a police reconstruction you twat  on the video you twat it states exactly what Jodi  was wearing wich is nothing like Bryson description.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2019, 01:58:PM »
mrs Bryson also stated that she only had a fleeting of the male figure.

that is from the court documents.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2019, 02:32:AM »
Jodi was wearing black very baggy trousers, imo very distinctive trousers and top. Bryson saw a girl with a dark hoodie and lighter colour trousers she thought to be jeans, this was not Jodi. If she could not remember what the girl was wearing on the bottom half and just said a dark hoodie then it could well be Jodi, but the minute she said lighter trousers counts Jodi out. lighter blue jeans and black baggy trousers can not be mixed up. Also she refused to name Luke as the person she saw that day? Again that says it all for me on this sighting, was not them.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2019, 08:52:AM »
In her original description, Mrs Bryson could not say for sure that the person "identified" as Jodi was female - she said she only presumed the person was female "because of the body shape."

She was absolutely clear that she could not identify either of the people (other than by clothing) because she did not see their faces.

If a female wearing very baggy black trousers and an equally baggy black hoodie with a huge Deftones logo across the back had been put in front of her, how could she have identified that person as fitting her description of a blue sweatshirt and lighter blue bootcut jeans? Or a female with what the pathologist described as "auburn" hair compared to what Mrs Bryson described as "very dark or black hair"?

If a skinny, 14 year old boy with poker straight blond hair, wearing a green bomber jacket with bright orange lining, very baggy black jeans and snowboarding boots was put before her, how could she "identify" that person as fitting her description of "late teens to early twenties with very thick, messy, sandy coloured hair, standing up in a clump at the back, wearing a fishing style jacket and matching trousers. The jacket had a bulging pocket on the left sleeve and she couldn't estimate the length of his hair because the collar of the jacket was standing up.

Add to that Mrs Bryson's original certainty that the time of her sighting was between 5.40 and 5.45 - almost an hour later that the eventual court version. She was sure because (a) she knew what time she left to do her shopping and (b) she received a phone call from her husband "about half an hour" after she got home.When she checked her phone, that call was at 6.17pm

Either Mrs Bryson also "lost track of time," having come home with her shopping and two kids to get the tea ready for her husband coming home from work, or she was right about the time. But if she saw a girl who "could have been" Jodi at 5.45pm, then Jodi couldn't have been murdered at 5.15pm.

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Re: bryson sighting.
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2019, 10:32:AM »
the mystory is why bryson even went to the police with this evdence she says she dident  see the jodis face she dident know jodi personally there hadent been any picture of jodi realased how the hell could she think she had seen her.

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2019, 04:46:PM »
According to Ferris, it wasn't even Mrs Bryson who made the sighting, it was her husband!

But according to Mrs Bryson, originally, she contacted the police because she "saw it on the news" and realised she'd "gone past that way."

The official news that the girl was Jodi wasn't released until early afternoon on July 1st - her body wasn't officially identified until around 3pm.
(e.g. here: https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/14-year-old-girl-found-murdered-1-885078)

Mrs Bryson first spoke to the police on the evening of July 1st.

So here are my questions:

Why did Mrs Bryson think that bend in the road was important?

Jodi's address hadn't been released by then, so there was nothing to say from where in Easthouses Jodi had made her way to the path. Even if her address had been released, there was still nothing to suggest Jodi walked down the main road and entered the path from there. Mrs Bryson claimed to be unfamiliar with Easthouses (as evidenced by her getting lost while looking for the house for sale) - how could she have known where the Easthouses entrance to the path (Main Road entrance) was? Police were only asking for people who had used the path or been "in the vicinity" - if Mrs Bryson didn't know where the path was,how did she know she had been "in the vicinity"? Bear in mind there was a high school with a school concert going on that evening - any teenagers in the area could have been heading to the concert. Why did Mrs Bryson focus, in particular, on those two?

How did Mrs Bryson know who she was "looking" for?

No description of Jodi had been released by then. Again, there could have been any number of teenagers in the area - what made her pick out those two and no-one else, within just a couple of hours of the confirmation that the body was Jodi?

Having made all these connections so quickly (and apparently without any real reason to do so), how had Mrs Bryson forgotten, within 24 hours, what route she took back from the supermarket to Easthouses to view the property for sale? 

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Re: bryson sighting.
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2019, 05:03:PM »
According to Ferris, it wasn't even Mrs Bryson who made the sighting, it was her husband!

But according to Mrs Bryson, originally, she contacted the police because she "saw it on the news" and realised she'd "gone past that way."

The official news that the girl was Jodi wasn't released until early afternoon on July 1st - her body wasn't officially identified until around 3pm.
(e.g. here: https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/14-year-old-girl-found-murdered-1-885078)

Mrs Bryson first spoke to the police on the evening of July 1st.

So here are my questions:

Why did Mrs Bryson think that bend in the road was important?

Jodi's address hadn't been released by then, so there was nothing to say from where in Easthouses Jodi had made her way to the path. Even if her address had been released, there was still nothing to suggest Jodi walked down the main road and entered the path from there. Mrs Bryson claimed to be unfamiliar with Easthouses (as evidenced by her getting lost while looking for the house for sale) - how could she have known where the Easthouses entrance to the path (Main Road entrance) was? Police were only asking for people who had used the path or been "in the vicinity" - if Mrs Bryson didn't know where the path was,how did she know she had been "in the vicinity"? Bear in mind there was a high school with a school concert going on that evening - any teenagers in the area could have been heading to the concert. Why did Mrs Bryson focus, in particular, on those two?

How did Mrs Bryson know who she was "looking" for?

No description of Jodi had been released by then. Again, there could have been any number of teenagers in the area - what made her pick out those two and no-one else, within just a couple of hours of the confirmation that the body was Jodi?

Having made all these connections so quickly (and apparently without any real reason to do so), how had Mrs Bryson forgotten, within 24 hours, what route she took back from the supermarket to Easthouses to view the property for sale?


and there would of been planty of teenage couples walking about then pay particular attention to 1

though I cant say I really trust the word f ferris.
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Re: bryson sighting.
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2019, 05:17:PM »
Agreed, nugnug. Ferris's evidence is all over the place - he caused so much confusion with his various accounts.

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2019, 05:21:PM »
The article I linked in my previous post throws up some interesting points about media reporting right from the very beginning.

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14-year-old girl found murdered
Published: 01:00Updated: 15:20Tuesday 01 July 2003

A MURDER hunt is under way in the Lothians after the body of a 14-year-old girl was found in woods behind a school.

The schoolgirl’s badly beaten body was discovered close to a path running between Newbattle Community High School and Newbattle Road, Dalkeith, late last night.

The dead girl is believed to be local girl Jodi Jones who has been reported missing by her family.
A full-scale murder inquiry has been launched into what police have described as a brutal killing. Detectives are investigating the possibility that the murder may have been sexually motivated.

So, right from the very beginning, a sexually motivated attack was high on the police possibility list.

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An incident team has been set up at Dalkeith Police Station. The alarm was raised after Jodi, who lived in the former mining village of Easthouses, on the edge of Dalkeith, failed to turn up to an arranged meeting with her boyfriend. When she failed to show up, the boyfriend contacted her family.

Where did this come from, just 15 ½ hours after Jodi’s body was found? And why is Luke referred to as “the boyfriend” rather than “her boyfriend? It wasn’t known Jodi was missing until 10.38pm that evening, when a member of Jodi’s family contacted Luke, not the other way around. And the alarm was raised when she failed to return home at her curfew time of 10 o’clock (although it took another 40 minutes after that for her mother to contact Luke).

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They began looking for their missing daughter, who is a pupil at St David’s RC High School, in Dalkeith, and called the police.

Members of Jodi’s family and police officers were desperately searching for her, when the body was discovered just before midnight.

It is understood the discovery was made by a friend of the Jones family who had joined the search.

No, they didn’t. Her mother called the police and then the grandmother, sister and sister’s boyfriend set out to look for her. “The boyfriend” had already left to check the path around 15 minutes earlier. Police officers were not “desperately searching for her” – they were trying to find Luke and the path.

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The path near where her body was found is used by members of the public as a shortcut from Easthouses to nearby Newbattle Road, and by people walking their dogs. It runs through Campbell Park and Talbot Park.

Officers from Lothian and Borders Police were this morning scouring the scene for vital clues as to how the girl died.

Newbattle Community High School and part of the field the path runs through were cordoned off as officers carried out their investigations.

Wrong again. Newbattle High School wasn’t cordoned off – the kids attended school as usual that day – it was only the underpass at the very back of the school that was cordoned off.

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A full post mortem is being carried out today to establish the cause and time of the schoolgirl’s death. Police are then expected to officially confirm that the dead girl is missing Jodi.

It is not known how long the girl’s body had lain in the woods before she was discovered, although Jodi had left home at 5.30pm and was had been due back at 10pm.

She left home at 5.30pm? Who told the media that? Notice the typo – “and was had been due back at 10pm” – this contradicts the earlier claim that the alarm was raised by Luke contacting the family when Jodi failed to show up earlier in the evening. Sloppy reporting, or the beginning of the drip feeding of the media that was to become such a hallmark of this case?

The post mortem was being carried out to establish the cause and time of death – what went wrong?

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Police say it is imperative to speak to anyone who may have been in the park or the woods last night.

A police spokesman said: "It is requested that anybody who used this path, or was within the vicinity between 5pm and 10pm on Monday please contact Dalkeith Police Station."

This is July 1st – Ferris and Dickie knew they were on the path between 5pm and 10pm on Monday. What “park” are they talking about?

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The teenager’s death has left the Easthouses community in shock. Bobby Trotter, 65, regularly uses the area when walking his dog.

He said: "It is the last thing you expect to hear. I don’t often walk down that path, and I don’t ever walk down it at night."

The rear of the school is only 15 metres from the path near to which the girl was found.

The path is also just a five-minute walk from Jodi Jones’ house.

No-one from Newbattle Community High School was available for comment, but the school was still open this morning and pupils were attending as usual.

Not cordoned off, then? Notice Jodi’s home is only a “five minute walk” – it doesn’t say in which direction.

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A police spokesman said: "Inquiries are at a very early stage and we are calling in specialist resources to help conduct the investigation.

"We will be consulting the Procurator Fiscal and the pathologist, but at this stage we are very anxious to have people come forward who might have been in the vicinity.

"It is a well-used path and it is almost certain there were some people around that evening.

"At this stage there is a great deal of concern about how this tragic death might have happened."

They’d already consulted with the PF and the pathologist, some 9 hours earlier.

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The murder investigation is being headed up by Det Chief Super Craig Dobbie.

Speaking from the scene today, he said: "We are appealing for people to come forward to help us with investigations into this young girl’s murder.

‘The path near where the body was found is used by members of the public as a short cut from Easthouses to Newbattle Road, Dalkeith.

"It is also commonly used by people walking their dogs and we would in particular appeal to anyone who was in or near the area between the hours of 5pm and 10pm last night."

There is nothing to link the murder with any other incident, say police.

That’s at least 3 appeals for anyone in the vicinity to come forward, but Ferris and Dickie didn’t. How on earth did the police know, within 15 ½ hours of the finding of Jodi’s body that there was “nothing to link the murder with any other incident” – how could they possibly have known that so quickly?

https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/14-year-old-girl-found-murdered-1-885078

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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2019, 06:13:PM »
yes its not normal to rule things out so early.